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Shift #37: Real leadership, raw advice, and Robbie Pape
July 23, 2026
Here's what a great leader looks like
Ever wonder why some leaders command a room and others just…don't?
Robbie Pape joins the guys to talk about the power of choice, showing up with confidence, and why the best leaders own their mistakes. Robbie also shares lessons from her colonel and fighter-pilot dad, and the crew digs into what the funeral profession needs more of from its leaders right now.
Tune in for honest conversations, a few emotional moments, and maybe a reason to start making your bed every morning.
About Robbie Pape:
Robbie Pape serves as Vice President of Operations at Carriage Services. With 30 years of experience spanning funeral and cemetery operations, finance, sales, systems, process improvement, and audit, Robbie brings a rare full-picture perspective to help Carriage continue to grow and succeed. She's a Certified Public Accountant (CPA), a past ICCFA President, current treasurer on the CANA Board of Directors, and holds a degree in Marketing and Information Systems from Baylor University.
About the podcast:
The Graveyard Shift is a podcast by Passare and features:
Todd Carlson, Chief Sales Officer at Directors Investment Group
Matt Bailey from Bailey Family Funeral Homes in Connecticut
Gary Freytag from Spring Grove in Ohio
Jimmy Lucas from Lucas Funerals and Cremations in Texas
